Legislature(1993 - 1994)
04/07/1994 08:40 AM House FIN
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HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE
April 7, 1994
8:40 A.M.
TAPE HFC 94 - 110, Side 1, #000 - end.
TAPE HFC 94 - 110, Side 2, #000 - #478.
CALL TO ORDER
Co-Chair Larson called the House Finance Committee meeting
to order at 8:40 A.M.
PRESENT
Co-Chair Larson Representative Hoffman
Co-Chair MacLean Representative Martin
Vice-Chair Hanley Representative Foster
Representative Brown Representative Parnell
Representative Grussendorf Representative Therriault
Representative Navarre was not present for the meeting.
ALSO PRESENT
Thomas Williams, Director, Permanent Fund Dividend Division,
Department of Revenue; Arthur Snowden, II, Administrative
Director, Alaska Judicial Council; Richard Vitale, Staff,
Representative Parnell.
SUMMARY
HB 392 An Act relating to the confidentiality of
permanent fund dividend application information;
relating to the permanent fund dividend program;
and providing for an effective date.
CS HB 392 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with
"no recommendation" with a fiscal note by the
Department of Revenue dated 3/04/94.
HOUSE BILL 392
"An Act relating to the confidentiality of permanent
fund dividend application information; relating to the
permanent fund dividend program; and providing for an
effective date."
RICHARD VITALE, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE PARNELL, stated that
the legislation was developed in coordination with the
Permanent Fund Dividend Division in order to improve, update
and place into law some of the current regulations of that
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program.
THOMAS WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR, PERMANENT FUND DIVIDEND DIVISION,
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, commented that the Department of
Revenue strongly supports the proposed legislation.
Representative Martin MOVED to adopt Amendment #1 which
would protect the military family. Mr. Williams advised
that the Department would not support Amendment #1 pointing
out that a spouse of a military member can currently "piggy
back" on the allowable absence of a resident. He added that
Amendment #1 would treat military as a special category.
Discussion followed among Committee members and Mr. Williams
regarding Amendment #1. Representative Parnell OBJECTED.
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Foster, Martin, Larson.
OPPOSED: Brown, Grussendorf, Hanley, Hoffman,
Parnell, MacLean.
Representatives Navarre and Therriault were not present for
the vote.
The MOTION FAILED (3-6).
Representative Martin MOVED to adopt Amendment #2 creating a
new subsection (ii) which would address the spouse or
dependents of a resident or nonresident member of the
military forces on active duty.
Mr. Williams stated the Department of Revenue would not
support Amendment #2 reiterating that it would treat
military separately. Representative Parnell OBJECTED.
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Foster, Martin.
OPPOSED: Grussendorf, Hanley, Hoffman, Parnell,
Brown, MacLean, Larson.
Representatives Navarre and Therriault were not present for
the vote.
The MOTION FAILED (2-7).
Representative Brown MOVED to adopt Amendment #3 noting the
intent would be to address the disclosure to the federal
courts of information including birth date for jury duty
use. She remarked that the amendment would identify that
public records must be kept confidential. There was
discussion regarding the two amendments provided to the
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Committee which would address the same concern pointing out
that both amendments were numbered #3. The Committee agreed
to accept the language as submitted by the Department of
Revenue as Amendment #3.
Representative Parnell MOVED to adopt the amendment provided
by the Department of Revenue. Representative Brown MOVED to
delete the language "social security numbers" to Amendment
would be more restrictive than the current language. There
being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted with the proposed change.
Representative Brown questioned the need for the addition of
Section #15 in the legislation. Mr. Williams advised that
Section #15 would provide a release of information clause
which would clarify specific rights to privacy information.
(Tape Change, HFC 94-110, Side 2).
Representative Brown reiterated that personal information
should be kept confidential as it is in current law. The
proposed Section #15 would change that premise. She noted
her concern with the overall right to privacy premise as
proposed in the legislation. Representative Brown MOVED to
adopt Amendment #4 which would insert additional language to
Page 9, Line 11, explaining that information would relate to
an individual's application or dividend.
Representative Brown then suggested a language change which
would delete "may" and insert "is" to the first line of
Amendment #1. Representative Parnell OBJECTED to Amendment
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Grussendorf, Hoffman, Martin, Brown,
MacLean.
OPPOSED: Hanley, Parnell, Therriault, Larson.
Representatives Navarre and Foster were not present for the
vote.
The MOTION PASSED (5-4).
Representative Brown MOVED TO WITHDRAW Amendment #5. There
being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.
Representative Brown MOVED to adopt Amendment #6, Section
(a) of Amendment #6 and deleting Section (b) of the proposed
amendment. She stated that the amendment would continue the
status quo, whereas, failure to adopt Section (a) of
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Amendment #6 would remove the requirement to provide
automated data. Representative Martin requested more
restrictive language than that provided by Amendment #6.
Representative Martin OBJECTED.
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Hanley, Parnell, Therriault, Brown,
Grussendorf, MacLean, Larson.
OPPOSED: Hoffman, Martin.
Representatives Foster and Navarre were not present for the
vote.
The MOTION PASSED (7-2).
Representative Brown MOVED to adopt Amendment #7 which would
insert the language "collect" to Page 10, Line 11, before
"penalty". Representative Larson OBJECTED.
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Hoffman, Martin, Parnell, Therriault,
Brown, Grussendorf, Hanley, Maclean.
OPPOSED: Larson.
Representatives Navarre and Foster were not present for the
vote.
The MOTION PASSED (7-2).
Representative Parnell MOVED to report CS HB 392 (FIN) out
of Committee with individual recommendations and with the
accompanying fiscal notes. Representative Brown OBJECTED.
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Martin, Parnell, Therriault,
Grussendorf, Hanley, Hoffman, MacLean,
Larson.
OPPOSED: Brown.
Representatives Foster and Navarre were not present for the
vote.
The MOTION PASSED (8-1).
CS HB 392 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with "no
recommendations" and with a zero fiscal note by the
Department of Revenue dated 3/04/94.
ADJOURNMENT
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The meeting adjourned at 10:00 A.M.
HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE
April 7, 1994
8:40 A.M.
TAPE HFC 94 - 110, Side 1, #000 - end.
TAPE HFC 94 - 110, Side 2, #000 - #478.
CALL TO ORDER
Co-Chair Larson called the House Finance Committee meeting
to order at 8:40 A.M.
PRESENT
Co-Chair Larson Representative Hoffman
Co-Chair MacLean Representative Martin
Vice-Chair Hanley Representative Foster
Representative Brown Representative Parnell
Representative Grussendorf Representative Therriault
Representative Navarre was not present for the meeting.
ALSO PRESENT
Thomas Williams, Director, Permanent Fund Dividend Division,
Department of Revenue; Arthur Snowden, II, Administrative
Director, Alaska Judicial Council; Richard Vitale, Staff,
Representative Parnell.
SUMMARY
HB 392 An Act relating to the confidentiality of
permanent fund dividend application information;
relating to the permanent fund dividend program;
and providing for an effective date.
CS HB 392 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with
"no recommendation" with a fiscal note by the
Department of Revenue dated 3/04/94.
HOUSE BILL 392
"An Act relating to the confidentiality of permanent
fund dividend application information; relating to the
permanent fund dividend program; and providing for an
effective date."
RICHARD VITALE, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE PARNELL, stated that
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the legislation was developed in coordination with the
Permanent Fund Dividend Division in order to improve, update
and place into law some of the current regulations of that
program.
THOMAS WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR, PERMANENT FUND DIVIDEND DIVISION,
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, commented that the Department of
Revenue strongly supports the proposed legislation.
Representative Martin MOVED to adopt Amendment #1 which
would protect the military family. Mr. Williams advised
that the Department would not support Amendment #1 pointing
out that a spouse of a military member can currently "piggy
back" on the allowable absence of a resident. He added that
Amendment #1 would treat military as a special category.
Discussion followed among Committee members and Mr. Williams
regarding Amendment #1. Representative Parnell OBJECTED.
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Foster, Martin, Larson.
OPPOSED: Brown, Grussendorf, Hanley, Hoffman,
Parnell, MacLean.
Representatives Navarre and Therriault were not present for
the vote.
The MOTION FAILED (3-6).
Representative Martin MOVED to adopt Amendment #2 creating a
new subsection (ii) which would address the spouse or
dependents of a resident or nonresident member of the
military forces on active duty.
Mr. Williams stated the Department of Revenue would not
support Amendment #2 reiterating that it would treat
military separately. Representative Parnell OBJECTED.
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Foster, Martin.
OPPOSED: Grussendorf, Hanley, Hoffman, Parnell,
Brown, MacLean, Larson.
Representatives Navarre and Therriault were not present for
the vote.
The MOTION FAILED (2-7).
Representative Brown MOVED to adopt Amendment #3 noting the
intent would be to address the disclosure to the federal
courts of information including birth date for jury duty
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use. She remarked that the amendment would identify that
public records must be kept confidential. There was
discussion regarding the two amendments provided to the
Committee which would address the same concern pointing out
that both amendments were numbered #3. The Committee agreed
to accept the language as submitted by the Department of
Revenue as Amendment #3.
Representative Parnell MOVED to adopt the amendment provided
by the Department of Revenue. Representative Brown MOVED to
delete the language "social security numbers" to Amendment
would be more restrictive than the current language. There
being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted with the proposed change.
Representative Brown questioned the need for the addition of
Section #15 in the legislation. Mr. Williams advised that
Section #15 would provide a release of information clause
which would clarify specific rights to privacy information.
(Tape Change, HFC 94-110, Side 2).
Representative Brown reiterated that personal information
should be kept confidential as it is in current law. The
proposed Section #15 would change that premise. She noted
her concern with the overall right to privacy premise as
proposed in the legislation. Representative Brown MOVED to
adopt Amendment #4 which would insert additional language to
Page 9, Line 11, explaining that information would relate to
an individual's application or dividend.
Representative Brown then suggested a language change which
would delete "may" and insert "is" to the first line of
Amendment #1. Representative Parnell OBJECTED to Amendment
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Grussendorf, Hoffman, Martin, Brown,
MacLean.
OPPOSED: Hanley, Parnell, Therriault, Larson.
Representatives Navarre and Foster were not present for the
vote.
The MOTION PASSED (5-4).
Representative Brown MOVED TO WITHDRAW Amendment #5. There
being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.
Representative Brown MOVED to adopt Amendment #6, Section
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(a) of Amendment #6 and deleting Section (b) of the proposed
amendment. She stated that the amendment would continue the
status quo, whereas, failure to adopt Section (a) of
Amendment #6 would remove the requirement to provide
automated data. Representative Martin requested more
restrictive language than that provided by Amendment #6.
Representative Martin OBJECTED.
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Hanley, Parnell, Therriault, Brown,
Grussendorf, MacLean, Larson.
OPPOSED: Hoffman, Martin.
Representatives Foster and Navarre were not present for the
vote.
The MOTION PASSED (7-2).
Representative Brown MOVED to adopt Amendment #7 which would
insert the language "collect" to Page 10, Line 11, before
"penalty". Representative Larson OBJECTED.
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Hoffman, Martin, Parnell, Therriault,
Brown, Grussendorf, Hanley, Maclean.
OPPOSED: Larson.
Representatives Navarre and Foster were not present for the
vote.
The MOTION PASSED (7-2).
Representative Parnell MOVED to report CS HB 392 (FIN) out
of Committee with individual recommendations and with the
accompanying fiscal notes. Representative Brown OBJECTED.
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.
IN FAVOR: Martin, Parnell, Therriault,
Grussendorf, Hanley, Hoffman, MacLean,
Larson.
OPPOSED: Brown.
Representatives Foster and Navarre were not present for the
vote.
The MOTION PASSED (8-1).
CS HB 392 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with "no
recommendations" and with a zero fiscal note by the
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Department of Revenue dated 3/04/94.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 10:00 A.M.
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